From: gubnah_azrael@gov.su.us (The Voltairian™/Black Jester™/Closet Libertarian™/Riley Bitterman™) Newsgroups: alt.sex.strip-clubs,alt.freespeech,misc.int-property,alt.comedy.standup,alt.freedom Subject: Re: next2nothing [LIBTR] [ASS-C] Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 00:48:58 GMT Organization: Closet Libertarian™/Black Magus™/Bible Thumper™/Blow Load™ Reply-To: spyhunter-navyseal@gov.su.us Message-ID: <3d9b8468.3046301@news.lightspeed.ca> References: <3d97a548.6748209@news.lightspeed.ca> <b34dec24.0209292147.322f0794@posting.google.com> <hjmhpuclaicqhqnfjfb6t40aa85dnkdbbu@4ax.com> <b34dec24.0210010206.3c9b3cfb@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: vandial2.lightspeed.bc.ca X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: vandial2.lightspeed.bc.ca X-Trace: rsl2.rslnet.net 1033606784 vandial2.lightspeed.bc.ca (2 Oct 2002 17:59:44 -0700) Lines: 517 Path: rsl2.rslnet.net Xref: rsl2.rslnet.net alt.sex.strip-clubs:87647 alt.freespeech:262 misc.int-property:3089 alt.comedy.standup:36409 alt.freedom:319 On 1 Oct 2002 03:06:21 -0700, nex2nuthin@yahoo.com (nex2nuthin) wrote: >Voltairian---> >> I expected to be called a fag. > > >You ever wonder why you EXPECT folks to point out those homosexual >tendencies tendencies of yours? Maybe it's cause you display them so >fragrantly? Must be the cooking and laundry in my past, I swear I didn't have a choice. I really didn't mean to read the articles....I swear!!!!!! >Voltairian---> >> Strange comming from the great over >> compensator. > > >Why is it strange if you expect it? Expect what? I point misseed by you? >nuthin---> >> >The odious thing about your opinion of women--& I think the reason >> >they want nothing to do with you--is that you view them as children, >> >incapable of making their own decisions & therefore needing your >> >fatherly protection. Therefore, you absurdly maintain that women doing >> >something of their own free will are somehow nevertheless being >> >"forced" to do it & should be "protected" from themselves! You know, >> >the same way Stain wanted to "protect" the poor peasants. > >Voltairian---> >> Maybe the reason you want them your lap that way is because you do >> think of them as children. > > >You're saying that men who desire women sexually are by definition see >them as children? NOW do you wonder why people associate you with >asexual or homoerotic tendencies? Asexual as in Openly Ambigious? I am the first Openly Ambigious Comedian and Politician. I never denied it. I keep my sex life as private as I can, or tastes, that's whole point. The lap dance shit compromises this, even this discution compromises this. I was actually making fun of you in the sense of you overcompensating for a disgusting lust for children. *PRECHEW* >Voltairian---> >> I do have confirmation of this "enforced >> mileage" as you even refered to it at one point, I actually discust it >> at one point, because I was concerned about her and the other dancers >> getting it during a by-law enforcement, you never know who's the cop; >> and you never know who's the boss (owner; actual not figure head) just >> showing up here and there. > > >Yes, & should a cop suddenly turn up, the poor dancer might be jailed >for the crime of refusing to give him a LD. I believe that's a felony >under the law, punishable by 10 to 15 years of having to read your >posts. Is it any wonder these poor girls are so terrified? A terrible, >terrible system that oppresses them as they laff all the way to the >bank. You don't read the entire context I hate that. >nuthin---> >> >But the truth is really that you use that rationalizing bullshit to >> >try to hide from yourself how terrified you are of women & how >> >unworthy you feel in their presence. >> > >> >That's why I suggested awhile back that you relax & accept yourself >> >for who you are insteada putting on this phony front that nobody cares >> >about anyway. Of course, that's the one post of mine you never >> >responded to. I guess it hit a little too close to home & was just too >> >painful to face up to. >> > >> >But no--your not desiring women doesn't make you "impartial". It just >> >makes you an asexual or homosexual moron insteada a heterosexual >> >moron. > >Voltairian---> >> You just want women to do with their bodies what you want them to; > > >Yes, that would be nice. We ALL want other people to do exactly what >we want them to do & would be most satisfying for us. I also want >everybody in the world to voluntarily give me scads of money for no >reason at all. > >What separates the adults from the children is the realization that >"wanting" & "forcing" are enitrely different concepts. You pretend not >to notice the distinction to try to gloss over the fact that not >wanting women indicates your asexual or homosexual tendencies. Since >you can't face this & accept this in yourself, you compensate by >describing folks with normal heterosexual desires as abusers who >"force" women to do what they're actually doing freely--in fact, what >those women are desperately trying to CONVINCE those "abusers" to >ALLOW them to do! Cause that's the way they make their living. > >As a result, your absolute terror of women & your inability to touch & >engage them due to your crushing fear of rejection leads you to >compensate by adopting the fantasy of being their heroic "protector", >shielding them from everything, especially their OWN freedom & >happiness. > >That's VERY sad. I never heard a dancer ask anyone at a strip club to give them a job where they violate the very premise of their job. A strip club is, for many, a way and an option out of prostitution and porn; by merging those things they are denied choices. You would deny them this choice. >Voltairian---> >> the >> independent freedom of a low mileage stage act or air dance is offence >> to you for just that reason. > > >Doesn't offend me none. Let them assert their "independent freedom" & >do all the low mileage stage acts & air dances they want. No skin off >my nose. > >As long as we're talking about independent freedom here, you mind >convincing some of those dancers to respect MY independent freedom & >to stop harrassing me sometimes to BUY a high mileage lapdance when I >don't want it from them? That kinda independent freedom would be nice, >too. Oh please, like you don't build a repore with management and try to get them to do it that, or at least know that it's often a pseudo-management that has them do it, your argument is a gripe of mine as well, if you actually read anything I said to the fullest, including that election stuff, which has plenty of stripping related issues in them. I totally agree with you, I am outraged that my own private tastes are being violated and compromised that activity as well as the dancer's. >Voltairian---> >> You can't just enforce your tastes on patrons other than you and you >> can't force them on dancers; you can't treat someone esle's business >> as if it's your private club or home and women as your collection of >> toys. > > >Right, so just cause YOU don't like (or more accurately are absolutely >terrified of) mutually consensual contact with women doesn't mean you >should force others to forego that as well. No, I oppose a fictitious character having any contact with a factual human being; in other words, you nerds may not know this but, the two worlds of fact and fiction do not mix. Perhaps you are always stuck in a fictitious fantasy driven world and have no sense of reality, but I do not so this can explain our positions and being in the world of facts, perhaps it explains why we have trouble communicating, you see what you want, I see context. This post is a great example, in fact, you separated an entire context of an article. >Voltairian---> >> You can't force, now you ignore this one all the time, a person >> to deny who they are and violate their religious views in return for >> employment and discriminate against them for that; you also can not >> violate privacy rights by making them do something that would require >> them to disclose before hand or during wether or not they are into >> doing something of a private nature, not pertaining to entertainment >> (because as much as you ignore it, it's not all T&A); > > >Yes you can--at least from the perspective of a libertarian, which is >what you claim to be. You can "force" them to do all these things as a >condition of employment--that's what's known as LIBERTARIANISM! From the point of view of an Anarchist mayber. The original party and the party as in the web site, is not the Libertarian philosophy. >What you CAN'T do is force them to work for you in the first >place--cause that's what's known as STALINISM! No that's letting party members work for you, how high up is depending on how friendlyyou are to the higher ups and their political buddies and not allowing non-party members at least members in bad standing work at all. Some non party, or in fact, anti-party members become slaves. "Communism Is The Equal Distribution Of Wealth According To Rank." -- Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday This goes back as Karl Marx, Hitler, Lenin, etc... Stalinism, in specific, is more murder heavy, perhaps some re-education camp related, but that was more of a Lenin and Stalin's successor's preference. Not that that wasn't a slow death of Siberian slavery. But Stalin was more of a statistics guy. >Voltairian---> >> Stripping is a >> Stage Act, it's been that way since the veils were shimmied, in >> Zarathustran Arya and Sumer (ancient arabia; 14 to 70 thousand BC); > > >Yeah, after leaving the "stage" those ladies immediately left & took >the subway home. I really don't think you wanna define women's rights >& liberties as what existed in THOSE days. I understand ssome do manage to drive without putting on make up at the same time.....subway....cabs maybe....the only one near our subway/skytrain is the Marble Arch. But seriously, "those days" there were good and bad people, just like any other era. What I refer to are not necessarily chained up in harrums like mother divine nuns in our era. Some did go back home, went to market, and so on. Many got paid well. The harem women weren't alloud to take off their clothes and were taken by cult versions of Zarathustrans, Brahmans, etc... and other paegan and heathen groups. Many were actually used in a way you approve of, and that's as prostitutes in the palace of the great gluttons. Ever read Zagdig? Not to bad of an explaination on how it wasn't all "bad guys" those days. >Voltairian---> >> you can't demand those things in return for employment, it violates >> their constitutional and human rights. > >It's the assertion that an employee can DICTATE his or her own terms >of employment, & force the employer to hire him or her under those >terms, that violates the employer's human rights--at least for a >Libertarian. A Stalinist, on the other hand, would have no problem >with that position. A safe and clean work place is a guarantee for anyone, no employee can be a slave and entertainers do also have a right to negotiate contracts. You don't know shit about business so I'm not going to explain this a hundred times, nor am I going to explain how it works a hundred times either. What is your obsession with Stalin? Compared to the CIA or MI5 he's a good guy. Those groups take over strip clubs here and there and act like they own the place, I am sick and tired of explaining to someone who may know first hand (and may have admitted it at one point) that this happens again and again, violating a businessman's right to run the bussiness he owns his way without mileage. On moral and business grounds (scares away decent clientel and kills profits.). Even drinking 2 beers, a guy like me spends more than the average high mileager. Some of those free loading asshole high mileagers claim to know the owner or get freebies from psuedo-management they have something on. Oh and dancers do better with someone like me; I hate to say this, but I have no choice. I tip a $5 to $20 for nothing, just on the basis of how beautiful and real the woman's body is, face is, and on the basis of their talent, leaned against the quality of the shoes they use and based on how little of the popularised music I end up hearing. They heal the bleeding ears, they're good. If I were a wealthier I'd tip 100s maybe. If I could bear public bathrooms and had more money, I'd drink more there. I tip $3.50 to $8.50 depending on my memory; I'm not sure I think I kept on the same tipping despite increases on the cost of the guinness (it's a bit over priced before when under 6 bucks, but this may be the result of bad business practices and big government fees and sin taxes.). You know what surprises me? Lap dances are sin taxed, not that I would support it, but if booze and cigs get it, why not laps or even air dances? I do think that cigs and lap dances harm the rights of others, so I think they should be banned; not taxed. Of course it would be bizzare since laps are illegal and cigs should be. Here that's what it's like anyway. On any account, I and others like me are better for business than the like of you. It's safer and more lucrative and we are good to the employees and this means they are happier and more effective. Effective employees equals more good business. >Voltairtian---> >> Now, maybe your to nerdy to notice this, but a dancer isn't a woman or >> a lady in the reall world sense, > >Of course not, she's a child, needing your protection. She's a fictitious character as far as you are concerned, if you want maybe you should have a TV screen with her on it that you can touch so you can touch her the way you should be. >This is where your phoniness shines thru loud & clear. A dancer >onstage is just as much a real woman as at any other time. Just cause >she's acting out & portraying a fantasy at the time doesn't mean she >gives up her humanity or any of her rights as a human being. As much >as anybody, she's still entitled to respect--including respecting her >right to live her life as she pleases without YOUR fucking >interference. Not actiing out, the ones that act out are worse than the ones that don't, generally speaking. Attention issues. They act, they potray a character, this character is as fictitious as anything you see on television. I don't think she gives up her humanity, she in facts explores more of it and expresses it on stage in the form of a non-existant character; you must be creatively bankrupt if I have to explain this to you. You want her to live her business life as the boys club wishes, as you wish, as a psuedo-businessman wishes, as a fake management wishes, as the CIA wishes, and so on. This has nothing to do with her private life, it's business. My family is so art, entertainment, humanity, scientifically, and athletically related it would cause your head to expload just seeing part of it; you couldn't understand what I understand because yoy, as far as anyone can know, you have no creative history and ability and this may be why you do not expose your real name on every post because it would kill your credability even more, if it wasn't bad enough as it was hiding behind a handle. >Voltairian---> >> she is a character on stage now >> being an entertainer, humorist, artists, etc... myself I may have more >> of a connection to that world; > > >Living at your computer 24 hours a day in mommy's attic does NOT make >you an entertainer, humorist or artist. No the drawings on everything I do (even note pages), the oil pastel works all over, the painting behind me, the Closet Libertarian logo, the Black Jester Web Site logos, my act, my writings, my published works are what makes it the case. My musical compositions tend to be caught in the middle during writings, but that's what happens when your being hassled by the man's equipment (NAS). I can't believe what I have done some times. The stuff that has been stolen from me shows it. I have dancing abilities, but I avoid doing it for anyother reason except to make me underestimatable when someone attacks me, nothing like someone thinking your a bit faggy and week just because of a way you hold a leg. Not bad excersize though, holding a leg tight in a certain area. I have polystialistic stylings and maybe you see art as a government grant crowd, so maybe you checked the NEA list and didn't see my name and based your opinion on that alone. The Budays are a Creative Family, even the Mes' have that in them. My mother certainly does and she got more respect stripping than in ballet or broadway and she's also pissed at what they are doing, treating EDs like they are ballet dancers. >And no--you have no connection to ANY real world. You need to see it before making that judgement, at least once. >Voltairian---> >> but I will explain it to you, that >> woman does not exist, except as a fictitious character, the patron >> does (one hopes, given my existential view point, if one can not >> differentiate fiction from reality they have a lack of existance, but >> this is a journey one has to do for your self, I can't force it, only >> encourage) as a real person, in the real world, now if you disturb >> that, the worlds collide and the venue of entertainment is dead, much >> like the crowds at a high mileage night or strip club in general. >> A film or tv actor isn't allowed to be comprimised in this fashion, >> even when faking it with another actor, this because a private life >> can not be mixed with a proffessional life, and no possibility of >> discrimination because of willingness or unwillingness to do something >> of a private nature can not be risked. >> >> Sometimes it's not the performer being treated like a child, sometimes >> it's an employer or a pseudo-employer that is acting like one; a >> spoiled one. >> >> By the way, I understand some ladies read this and others to the >> fullest of context, so I suggest you read what I write that way as >> well, if at all. Sometimes I think you just post in response to this >> because someone else reads it and gives you a summary or refuses to do >> something as a result. > > >Again, all this meaningless bullshit to AGAIN avoid responding to my >point that you're TERRIFIED of women & incapable of interacting with >them & therefore adopt this whole pose as a pathetic "compensation" to >avoid facing up to that fact. Again, ANYTHING to avoid the truth about >yourself. > >It's very sad, Voltairian, spouting all this childish nonsense to try >to portray yourself as a delightful "character" instead of the pitiful >self-deluder you are. Sad to feel the need to use a long sig file to >compensate for your lack of other things. > >Perhaps you should try becoming a human being & actually deal with the >world, insteada pretending a fake superiority to hide the inferiroity >you really feel? Just a suggestion--the last time I'll make it, since >I know you'll no more address it this time than any of the other times >I have. You have no psychological or psychiatric knowledge and I will have to point out that I have no problem communicating with them, I do have a problem using them for my own selfish desires and I do have a slight bashfulness towards them because I get screwed over and lied to here and there and it makes me a tad bitter. But every so often someone like Eva Evangelista comes by or some other lady and it makes me remeber how some will go out of their way for me, and that's not bad. But the fuck overs are always easiest to remember, I'm amazed that I don't see things your way, given what women have done to me. Including being ungreatful for the fact that I give a tip out as defined by the dictionary and not as a down payment for something else. I hate being treated like a sugar daddy at a strip club. 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